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Draw your own conclusion based on the fact presented.

All information depicted is freely available at the Wikipedia website as well as by making use of the ARIN WHOIS database. Should you choose to believe that this information was manipulated in any way whatsoever then I urge you to corroborate the facts as they are listed.

Wikipedia: [link]
Geektools: [link]

... and to think that this was done on the eve of matteo day is quite sad, to say the least.

Originally uploaded to Flickr: [link]

UPDATE 10/20/2005: The administration decided to relocate the deviation to scraps. I have removed it from scraps as it is NOT A SCRAP. It has been placed back in the category it belongs: Designs -> Miscellaneous.

UPDATE 10/22/2005: The administration yet again relocated the deviation to scraps and has not been forthcoming with a reason. No notes were sent explaining the reasoning behind the relocation. Since this is NOT A SCRAP I have moved it back out of scraps. When will these people get the idea?
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squirl-guy Featured By Owner Apr 9, 2015
2015 lol
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razzberry Featured By Owner Mar 3, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
O_o......
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rebluh66 Featured By Owner Aug 26, 2010
NOOOOO!
now i'll never know deviantart history
or the fella backstory ( if he had one)
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dango21192 Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2010
lol they had a contest to see what would be the official mascot of DeviantArt, it came down to three and they held a poll to vote [link] fella [link] created by `switched and posted on april 29th 2001 won by 132 points to the second place "the Deviant" [link] by ~professor
there was also a "seizure" version made by `switched and posted the same day [link]
im researhing the history of D.A. and lol i guess i better not use wickepedia!
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rebluh66 Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2010
ty
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dango21192 Featured By Owner Nov 16, 2010
yw
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4EverYoungKid Featured By Owner Mar 17, 2013
:meow: You're everywhere.
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dango21192 Featured By Owner Aug 3, 2013
Tehe 
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4EverYoungKid Featured By Owner Aug 3, 2013
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Tehlivingpencil Featured By Owner Jun 5, 2010
Who would turn dA history around like that?
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:iconmacanleister:
Macanleister Featured By Owner May 30, 2010
Favourited.
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Mycothropist Featured By Owner Mar 19, 2010
God that sucks man. Must say, this is the first time I've ever read about the dA history. Nice to know I get to see the truth with the lies. My sympathies to both you and Matteo.
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MisterSlowNiko Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2010  Hobbyist General Artist
:slow: what?
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:iconbluekity:
Bluekity Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2009
aliens did it
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Raian603 Featured By Owner Jun 29, 2009
I saw this! Now it says spyed was a co-founder! damn, man, that sucks...
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JamJams Featured By Owner Jun 14, 2009  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
The admins just don't want the truth to be told by one of the Founders of the site.

Tsk Tsk deviantART.
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webcruiser Featured By Owner Oct 25, 2008
Hi Scott!
Maybe you like to know that the German Wikipedia-article states until today that you and Matt founded deviantART.

This is a todays copy of the article:
deviantART
aus Wikipedia, der freien Enzyklopädie

deviantART ist eine kommerzielle Online-Community, die registrierten Benutzern die Möglichkeit bietet, ihre Werke aus dem Bereich Kunst und Fotografie zu veröffentlichen. Die Registrierung ist kostenfrei, es fallen lediglich für zusätzliche Angebote Kosten an. Zahlreiche Werke kann man im deviantART Shop als Poster, Kunstdruck, Postkarte etc. bestellen.
Das Unternehmen wurde am 7. August 2000 von Scott Jarkoff und Matt Stephens gegründet.
Im Moment umfasst deviantART über 8 Mio. registrierte Benutzer mit über 62 Mio. Veröffentlichungen (August 2008). Der Geschäftsführer von deviantART ist Angelo Sotira.


Thank you for all the work!
:wave:
Guenter
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Suicidebanana Featured By Owner Dec 7, 2008
and this is the todays copy of the article:

deviantART ist eine kommerzielle Online-Community, die registrierten Benutzern die Möglichkeit bietet, ihre Werke aus dem Bereich Kunst und Fotografie zu veröffentlichen. Die Registrierung ist kostenfrei, es fallen lediglich für zusätzliche Angebote Kosten an. Zahlreiche Werke kann man im deviantART Shop als Poster, Kunstdruck, Postkarte etc. bestellen. Das Unternehmen wurde am 7. August 2000 von Scott Jarkoff und Matt Stephens gegründet. Im Moment umfasst deviantART über 8 Mio. registrierte Benutzer mit über 62 Mio. Veröffentlichungen (August 2008). Der Geschäftsführer von deviantART ist Angelo Sotira.

its still the same, isnt it?
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matrixie Featured By Owner Oct 13, 2008
If this is true its disgusting, makes me not want to be part of a stolen community but i like DevArt too much to leave. Thanks for this informative piece
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masked-racoon Featured By Owner Sep 12, 2008
note: i wasn't attempting to troll
i seem to have accidently sent several comments by mistake
please feel free to hide all but one of them (including this one if you like)

thank you
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masked-racoon Featured By Owner Sep 12, 2008
OK, i stand by spyed for two reasons
1) He seems to actually do things
2) he doesn't whine
i stand against you for three reasons
1) i've never actually see you don anything not related to..
2)Whining, you love it.
3) *cough*court case*cough cough*
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:iconmasked-racoon:
masked-racoon Featured By Owner Sep 12, 2008
OK, i stand by spyed for two reasons
1) He seems to actually do things
2) he doesn't whine
i stand against you for three reasons
1) i've never actually see you don anything not related to..
2)Whining, you love it.
3) *cough*court case*cough cough*
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meadow-rue Featured By Owner Oct 2, 2008   Traditional Artist
Umm... he actually FOUNDED DA. How's that for 'doing something'? -_-;; I think he has every right to 'whine' as you put it. I think you'd be equally angry if you were in his position.
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masked-racoon Featured By Owner Oct 3, 2008
ok heres the thing
this $spyed fellow ALSO founded DA.
but i haven't heard him lord it over anyone
i haven't hear him use it as an excuse either

Also, no i wouldn't be angry in jark's position
because he seems to have brought it upon himself
he SEEMS to be one of those people that won't give up things to make others happy

Also, if he's so great then what did he do with all that money for the court trial?

I don't hate him or anything. or worship $spyed
i just find it kinda pathetic that he'd stoop this low :shrug:

Anywho, have a nice day :aww:
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meadow-rue Featured By Owner Oct 3, 2008   Traditional Artist
Actually he didn't. Jark and Matteo were the initial founders of this website, although there's no denying that Spyed has had an extremely large part to play in DA's history.
But no one that begins such a successful project should be shunted out by other members. It's corporate backstabbing at it's worst and unfortunately it happens all the time.
I know I would certainly be just as bitter as Jark, if not more so, if in his position. If I founded DA, I certain would NOT be willing to just let my baby go in order for my fellow staff members 'to be happy'.
Jark's removal and Matteo's subsequent resignation has been the worst thing that ever happened to this website. In Spyed hands DA has very quickly become an over commercial, over censored community that doesn't listen to it's members for anything but superfluous issues. It's very clear that the DA staff's top priority is now money and sponsors. I for one miss the days when Jark and Matteo were still here, those were DA's glory days.

And how is this stooping low? To highlight someone tampering with the DA Wiki page?
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masked-racoon Featured By Owner Oct 3, 2008
hang on, have you actually read ANY of spyed's stuff on this?

He started this project with Jark
Jark SUGGESTED the hire Matteo and Spyed agreed
Jark did some code. Matteo did some code. Spyed delt with the money.


In what way is this corporate anything?
jark is still aloud on DA and if he wanted to he could get back in there

Spyed as far as i can see has done a good job
where is this over comercialism?
OH NO! A BANNER AT THE TOP!
AND WHAT'S THIS!? OCASIONALLY AN ADD!
WHAT A DEVIL!
umm, no

Of course DA's head staff are concerned about money
THEY have to do that
the community deals with the art

DA is getting bigger and more popular every day
how is it's glory years gone?
theres more and more good art being added each day
unfortuanly, with popularity comes the "lol"s and "n00b"s of the internet and that tends to drown out the good sometimes
but if you bother too look you'd see it's still doing greay

also, if DA's turned so bad why are you still here?

And i think the way Jark has acted is stooping low
the whole "why did you make daddy cry" thing was plain pathetic
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meadow-rue Featured By Owner Oct 3, 2008   Traditional Artist
Well, personally I think randomly going onto one of the old Moderators gallery just to tell him that you don't like or support him is rather low and rude. I don't much care for Spyed, but you don't see me rushing over to his gallery to tell him that.

I've been here on DA for well over 5 years now and I've seen it go through many changes. DA's glory days were when Jark and Matteo were still in charge and this site was about real DEVIANT art and the moderators actually listened to their members, valued their opinions and communicated with them properly when there were problems. They cared more about pleasing the members of this site than making money and pleasing their sponsors. It was just... a nicer, friendlier, more relaxed place to be.
Whether it is completely Spyed's being in change or not, but since the leaving of Jark and Matteo it's become less Deviant art, more conservative art. Members are ignored, or banned with little or no communication. Strict new censorship rules have been put in place and enforced by contradictory, often unfair Mods who fail to properly communicate with members.
According to DA's new rules, the famous Renaissance painting of Venus would have to be put under a 'Mature' rating and many famous and beautiful Japanese Ukiyo-E paintings wouldn't even be allowed here anymore.

And to be honest, I did leave DA for a while. It's very sad to see a website you love go downhill. I still love a lot of the artists here and it's nice to get feedback for my artwork from other members, which is why I've stayed, but I've been finding myself increasingly frustrated with this website's over-the-top new censorship rules and the over-zealous Mods that enforce them.

And I suggest you read the story of what happened from all the different points of view before you make your decisions and not just go by the things you hear from the admin or Spyed. There were a lot of inaccuracies put out from all different directions during the whole Jark, Matteo and DA scandal.
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masked-racoon Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2008
1) I'm looking through his stuff and pointing out my opinions, and come on. have a look at Jarks gallery, it's ALL about how much he rocks or spyed sucks since he left
2) umm, DA admins and such still do talk to the community, it's just it's so big now that some get left out. i get great help and advice from my admin friends and those i've met
3) Jark was never 'in charge'. Jark and Spyed were in it together. Both. not just Jark. so it's not fair to say when jark ran it it was better, because he did his bit, spyed did his bit, but neither of them 'ran the site'.
4) the rules are there for a reason ya know
5) hang on. Because you thought DA was going downhill you abandoned it?.....well that's just plain selfish.
6) Why don't you become a mod if you think you could do a better job? :shrug:
7) I've read every version i can find, and i support spyed over it. Why? he stuck around, that's why. Jark could still help, but he's buggered off to god knows where. and i think the main reason i don't believe Jark is he took peoples money in trust, so where is the dam lawsuit or whatever he was doing with it?. Also, he used his kid to try and win people over, that to me is low. And where is Matteo anyways? just because him and Jark arn't "kings of the castle" anymore doesn't mean they couldn't help.
Anywho, the point is, unless i see any actual point to believe Jark i won't. cause ALL i've seen from his side is
A) Spyed sucks!
B) look at my kid cry
C) i don't want a war
D) give me money
i just don't see why i should believe a man that says he doesn't want to stoop down to low levels but then does it himself.
:shrug:
it's so childish to me

Have a nice day
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meadow-rue Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2008   Traditional Artist
1) It's his gallery to fill. And I don't really see anything to say that 'he rocks'. I can see he's a little bitter and to be honest, I would be too in his situation. I think that you would be too, and you can't say 'I wouldn't'! Because you've never been in a situation such as this.
Personally I found Spyed latest journal post, hanging out all the dirty laundry issues that arise amongst his staff and the members of the site to be much more distasteful than anything Jark has here.

2) Well I'm glad that you seem to have had a positive experience, but many people I know, as well as myself, haven't. And I'm comparing the way the staff used to treat it's members to how they do now. As I've said, I've been here long enough to actually see the way this site has changed and it's certainly not been for the better in the way of customer service. The staff have started enforcing their bizarre rules in a very contradictory and often hypocrite way and their common sense and communication skills are severally lacking.

3) Regardless, DA was certainly a nicer place to be with Jark and Matteo still in place, whether it was down to them that the site was better and more about real art I don't know. All I know is, that's the way it way.

4) Yes, to keep the numerous sponsors coming in. Controversial art = less sponsors = less money.
This site always advertises it's self as 'creative freedom', as 'being a beautiful thing where artists are free to express themselves'. Well no. Not any more it isn't. The rules are becoming more and more paranoid and being enforced in a very unpredictable manner. When you realise that the most extraordinary and famous of classical artists such as Botticelli and Hishikawa Moronobu would have their galleries either censored or banned on this website, you realise that the true meaning of 'art' has been sucked from this website. It's more about what is 'acceptable' and ';politically correct'.

5) Excuse me? One minute you're saying "If I don't like DA why am I still here?", the next you're accusing me of being selfish for periodically leaving! I don't think you have any right to be calling me anything! You don't know me, or the situation surrounding my brief leaving and it's extremely arrogant of you to just assume! Keep your stuck-up insults to yourself thank you very much. Up until now we'd been having quite a mature discussion.

6) What a silly thing to say. If I was in a high position of authority on this website (and getting paid to do that) I would have to bear the responsibility that went with it. If you think a movie is terrible, do you complain about it to friends or just think 'Oh well, I suppose I couldn't make a better movie, I'll just keep my opinions to myself'?

7) Of course Syped has stuck around. He's racking the cash in from this website! Why would he leave?! I'm sure he has a lot of passion for this place too of course, but Jark got the elbow and Matteo obviously found that the situation surrounding his friend being pushed out of the company he helped create extremely unfair and felt he had to leave. And why should either Jark or Matteo stick around to 'help' in their spare, unpaid time? The company decided that it didn't need them anymore, so why continue working for someone when they've made it clear they don't want you around. Jark can clearly see that this website has changed... It doesn't look or act much like the vision they all had to begin with... so why stay? There's no point. He doesn't owe anything to anyone here.

And if you don't like Jark so much, why not follow the advice you gave to me "If you don't like it so much why are you still here?". Well, if you don't like Jark so much, why are you on his gallery telling him so? Doesn't that seem a rather arrogant thing to do? As I said, you don't see me randomly telling every Mod I dislike how much I 'don't support them'.

Anyway, this debate is becoming overly complicated. I'm not trying to convince you to like Jark or agree that this website isn't about true art anymore, I'm just saying that it's rather petty of you to specially come to Jark's gallery just to express such a negative opinion. That's what your own DA journal is for.

And please stop signing off 'Have a nice day'. It's beginning to sound sarcastic and is starting to annoy me.
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masked-racoon Featured By Owner Sep 12, 2008
OK, i stand by spyed for two reasons
1) He seems to actually do things
2) he doesn't whine
i stand against you for three reasons
1) i've never actually see you don anything not related to..
2)Whining, you love it.
3) *cough*court case*cough cough*
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masked-racoon Featured By Owner Sep 12, 2008
OK, i stand by spyed for two reasons
1) He seems to actually do things
2) he doesn't whine
i stand against you for three reasons
1) i've never actually see you don anything not related to..
2)Whining, you love it.
3) *cough*court case*cough cough*
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dammitMEL Featured By Owner Nov 12, 2007
:noes:


I'm such a noob. :shrug:
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Zathina-Mage Featured By Owner Sep 12, 2007
I totally beleive you. Though I am curious Jark about one thing. Why did you take a screenshot of Wikipedia's deviantart page on the before hand? Not saying it's any reason to be doubtfull about the page. No, Jark you and Matteo, are the rightful founders and we should all know this. But, it just seems sort of odd that you had the screen shot. I'm very curious, was it something like that you were so proud of DA that you wanted a permanent reminder of it, at the time and took some screen shots of ranodm things like that page? Or was it something else?
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netnessie Featured By Owner Sep 28, 2007
Wikipedia stores all edits to an article for history sake. Jark merely viewed and took a screen shot of a revision dated before the changes where made.
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Zathina-Mage Featured By Owner Sep 28, 2007
So thats how he did it. Thats pretty cool.
I would like to edit the page to fix the lie, but seemingly wiki wont accept just deleting stuff.
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netnessie Featured By Owner Sep 28, 2007
There's a lot of different stories going around about what happened and how the wikipedia article should be written. At the moment you'll find people will undo any major changes to Sotira's position in the article.
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Zathina-Mage Featured By Owner Sep 29, 2007
Le sigh.
Well my questions have been answered. I still can't beleive what they did to Jark and Matteo(sp?). I mean, wow.
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EirikHavre Featured By Owner Jul 31, 2007
Does [link] help any?
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Wodanislav Featured By Owner Jul 3, 2007   Photographer
Fucking hell man ...
what kind of fucked up shit is this ...
Taking it as far as rewriting DA's history,
that ain't sad, that's obscene. And why on
Matteo day?? So people would start pointing
fingers?? Truly SAD
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MSTTMZ Featured By Owner May 18, 2007
omg
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Vexel07 Featured By Owner Apr 21, 2007
interesting.
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Lupis-Fox Featured By Owner Apr 16, 2007
fishy fishy
O.o someone is changing history and trying to hide it.
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Jiffy-No0b Featured By Owner Mar 1, 2007
0_0
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ZoeyHuerta Featured By Owner Feb 7, 2007  Professional Digital Artist
Hell... something like this makes me real angry.
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:iconrangrang:
RangRang Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2007  Student Digital Artist
I was an ignorant person until I spent about 20 minutes. Im gonna make a journal about this... makes me sad.... <3's to Jark
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Takkums Featured By Owner Dec 11, 2006
That's low.
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Rchitkara Featured By Owner Dec 9, 2006
quite pathetic of him no offence.
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ChaosTearKitsune Featured By Owner Nov 23, 2006  Hobbyist General Artist
dude. Deviant staff put it in scrap becasue it is A Scrap! I got my whole gallery delted once, if you tick them off, you might get suspened or something.
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Zathina-Mage Featured By Owner Sep 9, 2007
They wouldn't dare. The secound they do something that insane, to Jark's gallery, their gonna have a wave of angery deviants. They were lucky to even have deviants stay after they took away his status.
I mean, the only reason most of the older members are still here is the love they have for deviantart and the love the idea created by Jark and Matteo originally. *nods* if that makes any sense. Ignore me, I'm on a spree, reading about all this now too.
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clowve Featured By Owner Nov 2, 2006
wtf??!!!
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